Nekochan downtime discussion

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by Trippynet » Wed May 23, 2018 5:31 am

The GPDR isn't as scary as some people think.

In short, it boils down to the following:

1) Don't store unnecessary data. Profile data isn't really a problem as the only mandatory bits are mandatory for a reason and everything else is voluntary. So long as you're not secretly logging details such as the OS from people's machines when they post and other tracking data, there should be no issue here.

2) Allow people to view all data that you have on them - upon request. Most of it is public anyway (especially to the user), so again - so long as you're not secretly logging extra data, shouldn't be an issue as it's all visible anyway to the user.

3) Don't keep data longer than necessary. Again, unlikely to be an issue as you could argue that accounts are necessary on a public forum as long as the forum is online, and as long as you comply with point 4 below, this covers any "unnecessary" part.

4) Allow users to be able to request the removal of all of their data. Basically, so long as a user has a right to delete their account and have all posts and any other stored data removed, you are complying.

5) Stored in a secure manner. So, ensure that personal data is encrypted and suitably protected and you're fine here.

I really don't see it as being especially difficult for a public forum to be able to comply to be honest. Unless I've missed anything above, this should cover most of it.

So long as you're complying with the above, a quick bit in the FAQ to confirm GPDR compliance should be sufficient.
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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by okonoko » Wed May 23, 2018 5:49 am

Allow users to be able to request the removal of all of their data
There is a problem here for those websites (like forums, where you discuss stuff) that ask users to agree with GNU-GPL-like licenses, that means the users voluntarily give their permission to the website to the public and use their posts.

The problem with GPDR is related to their email and IPs stored in the database, rather than to their public posts.

Thus, if someone wants his/her account deleted, you must assure him/her of a full erasure of his/her personal data: email, Facebook, Twitter, Google-Hangouts, Skype, etc.

But! There is an additional problem if something of the above got quoted in public. In this case, you must delete posts.

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by trolljegeren » Wed May 23, 2018 6:50 am

Raion-Fox wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:58 am
trolljegeren wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:33 am
I'd really like to hear about the role "ivelegacy" played in all this because after all the last account he used on the Nekochan forum was called "shutitalldown". Just a coincidence?
Conspiracy and conjecture. All we know is that Nekonoko took the site offline for alleged GPDR compliance. I doubt Carlo had anything to do with it, and even after Carlo stalking me, harassing me, and doing pretty nasty things, I still agreed with Dodoid to put his "Down the Bunker" site up here for diplomatic reasons. You may see proof here: http://irix.cc/sites.php
What, you're promoting his site on irix.cc!? Why would you and Dodoid or anybody else from the Nekochan forum see a need for diplomacy with this guy? In the end he repeatedly annoyed and harassed users and mods - in and outside of the forum. And after he blew it with people multiple times he continued to sneak in with another name and start his show again adding lies here and there. He always tries to benefit from the community he hates so much. Best thing: Trying to sell the same stuff he has on Ebay on Nekochan but trying to disguise it by not providing pictures...

And look, his site has a prominent GDPR notice on first load. So much for conspiracy...

Apparently he is again already active in this forum, specifically in this thread.
Raion-Fox wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:58 am
trolljegeren wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:33 am
Also did anyone reach out to Pete or the Mods and asked for a time frame when we can expect Nekochan to be back. Because honestly, does anybody on irix.cc really believe all information on Nekochan that was built up over 15 years can be rebuild here in time?
Nope. I'm not on what I'd call good terms with the European mods of Nekochan - they were quite pissed at my criticism of their handling of dozens of issues, including one time where they got mad because I called a user out for being openly socialist when I've lost family. As for the American mods, I'm only on okay terms with VenomousPinecone, and I've none of their contact info. I also don't have a twitter or any way to reach out to Nekonoko though I was an active donator on Nekochan and, AFAIK, he and I didn't have any beef.
Have others tried to make contact? I saw the tweets of uunix, any reaction from Pete?
Raion-Fox wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:58 am
We're focusing on the long term and I'm going full steam ahead assuming that Nekochan is lost for good.
Sorry to say, but I hope your assumption will be proved wrong in the future. Because I think the information on Nekochan is vital to our community and must not be lost.

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by okonoko » Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 am

@trolljegeren
who were you on Nekochan?
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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by uunix » Wed May 23, 2018 7:08 am

GDPR is now being discussed on Radio 2 if anyone is interested.
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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by okonoko » Wed May 23, 2018 7:12 am

trolljegeren wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 6:50 am
prominent GDPR notice on first load
That is a MUST for websites hosted by servers located in Europe.

What's wrong with that page? It tells exactly what the website offers, and it forces you to read and understand it, according to what is required to operate :roll:

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by HAL » Wed May 23, 2018 8:08 am

okonoko wrote:
Whatever, but I have to warn you that defamation is punished by law.
You might be right in general, but I cannot see that his full name is mentioned anywhere and there are surely
thousands of Carlo's only in Italy. I doubt it applies in this case since there is not enough information to identify
him by a third party without inside information.

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by thunderbird32 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:46 am

okonoko wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 am
We all did read a lot of your personal insults in public against a person, and his life.
Who's this we? I've never seen anyone threaten "ivelegacy" in a believable way. Insult perhaps, but only out of frustration.
okonoko wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 am
Also, "Carlo" is an information not conformant to GPDR.
Hard to know what else to call him, considering he changes his username every few weeks.
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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by HAL » Wed May 23, 2018 9:48 am

okonoko wrote:
but! it's a form of respect to respect people's wills, besides their rights.
If it was not him, I'd say you were right, but it was him who didn't show respect to so many members who didn't do him wrong.
I doubt you have any idea how many members he had insulted.

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Re: Nekochan downtime discussion

Post by Trippynet » Wed May 23, 2018 9:54 am

okonoko wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:49 am
But! There is an additional problem if something of the above got quoted in public. In this case, you must delete posts.
Only if they contain personal data. The GDPR applies to personal information, not to various ramblings and discussions. For example, you can still quote something that someone said without falling foul of GDPR. Otherwise, the press would be completely screwed...
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